BZ3.. Revised!

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Okay guys, here's the deal..

Pretty much everything from the previous BZ3 thread is being scrapped, and actually.. has been for a while. That thread, (I shudder when I say this, because of how long this has been put off) is over a year old, and I'm taking an entirely new direction with this thing.. so.. new thread?

So first, forget everything you currently know about BZ3. Sorry!

The plan now is to release this in phases.. Phase 1 being the basic idea behind topics, discussions, comments, and registered members/users. Pretty much everything that is needed to function as a core.. Basics because I'm just now learning Python, and I want to get as far away from Drupal and PHP (the framework and language that BZ2 is running) as I can, in as short of time as I can.

I'm going to create a progress page, which shows each phase, the goals needed for those phases, and the progress as each one is developed.. This is more so for myself to have a motivator, but it might be fun for everyone to have to check out as well.

But anyways...

Phase 1 will basically consist of the following:

  1. Topics: Ah, this feature is going to be so cool! If you've ever used or browsed over at Reddit, think of a topic as a "subreddit". Basically, any registered user can create and moderate a topic, and everyone else can subscribe or unsubscribe to them. If you're not subscribed to a topic, you won't see any discussions that are related to it. Got it? Cool.
  2. Discussions: Each "Topic" will have Discussions.. any subscribed user can create one, other users can then comment on them. This should be extremely familiar, as BZ2 works this way now.
  3. User Authentication: This is boring, but mandatory. Will include registration, account activation, password retrieval, etc. All of you will have to re-register.. Sorry if this is unfortunate to anyone, but it really needs to start clean. BZ2 fucked with the database a lot.. Some accounts were overwritten (Ray, you know what I'm talking about.), and I seriously have no idea how many spam bots are registered now.. but there's hundreds of them. And mainly for security reasons.. the new system will be written in Python, rather than php.. and I also want to take advantage of some better security for storing information, such as passwords. It'll be super easy to sign up, and we haven't been keeping track of post counts for a while now anyways, so I figure this won't be a big deal.
  4. User Profiles: This is going to be ultra basic at first, but they will be back, and you guys will want to use them, especially after the other phases get built and incorporated (the voting system in phase2 is going to be tits awesome! Tits.)

    5. I think this pretty much sums up phase 1.. There's the obvious parts that aren't there, like building the actual site markup and UI, but I assume everyone already knows and understand that..

    I've already been working on the markup the past few weekends, and all I can say at the moment is this the UI is going to be extremely cool, just trust me! (All that scrolling to get to the top, breadcrumbs, or pagination, etc. have been considered pretty heavily).

    And this is super nerdy, but some of you (Roy, maybe) might be interested in it.. I'm going to use photoshop as minimally as I can.. maybe to only create a handful of graphics at the most. I'm going to be doing the entire thing using the latest html5/css3 where and when I can, and I'm pretty much designing with just the browser. This is just something I've been wanting to do for a while, and with multiple backgrounds, rounded corners, drop shadows, gradients, blah blah all in CSS3, now is a great time to try it out. The progress page that I'll be putting up shortly will be a decent, although very early preview of what is in mind.

    Everything is still open for suggestions and ideas, and it's actually encouraged, so shout at me if you need/want to!

  • Tyler

  • Fri, 12/03/2010 - 23:40
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No my post count!

Seriously though, this all sounds cool. Im looking forward to a better, more sound site with a few new simple features. Anything more is just a plus. Profiles and voting systems are fun if done right.

My questions are: Will BZ continue to be a Zao fan site (if you can call it that) or something else? Is there a strategy, or hope, for new members? I would like to see new members join. With new user traffic, this place will be more active, with all sorts of characters added to the mix.

What I don't want to see is a new BZ altogether with long time members dropping out. But, I doubt that will happen since all current active users are so much more that random internetz forum posters. And most of us has other connections like facebook or Xbox Live or whatever.

All ewe love someone! Let me not exist for a fair desire sweet and fresh.

fykusfireScrybe is what I would deem a genius. Of course with that said, there is a fine line between genius and insanity, and Scrybe is eating that line like spaghetti.

Voting system is pretty much how I explained it before.. Eventually, you'll be able to vote on a number of things: Discussions, Comments being the main two. Votes aren't just "Like/Dislike", there are a handful of positive and a handful of negative options.. For example: Positive votes include Funny, Inspirational, Informative, etc. Negaive votes include Troll, Inappropriate, etc. Each user is kind of rated on this system.. and will reflect in several areas.. Profile will state, "BZ thinks Tyler is a troll.."

As for BZ being a fansite.. I have to be honest here, but that's not the plan. This may or may not upset a lot of you veterans, I'm not totally sure. The idea in my head, a "topic" would be created for Zao, where we can all post about and follow news on the band. At the moment, I lean towards an eventual name change for the site, but that won't come until later, due to me having a lack of creativity.. Site will still be accessible via bleedzao.com, and the header and everything will accommodate those who come here that way.. I'm not sure how many of you will like this, but this is what I'm thinking at the moment. "Bleed Zao" just doesn't appeal to a very large group of people. And while I don't necessarily want or expect this to become a "large" community, it needs to appeal to a wider audience.

I don't want to see any long-term members dropping out either, but I kind of have to do something.. this server costs me quite a bit in the long run, and it has reached a pretty bad drought season here..

Again, I'm open to all ideas.. so if any of you have any, speak up! For the record, the name "KeepThemBleeding" is pretty long and unappealing to a majority of people as well -- I'm thinking something entirely new.

  • Tyler

  • Sat, 12/04/2010 - 01:41

Tylerthe name "KeepThemBleeding" is pretty long and unappealing to a majority of people as well -- I'm thinking something entirely new.

Idea from your OP!:

TylerTits

Do you think that's taken?

Black Dragon Say:"request exigency medical acclaim if your erection is piercing"

  • Scrybe

  • Sat, 12/04/2010 - 01:51

Oh, and on a serious note, one thing that's really important to me and those of us who like debate is an easy quote system, where we can grab multiple lines from multiple posts to reply to.

Black Dragon Say:"request exigency medical acclaim if your erection is piercing"

  • Scrybe

  • Sat, 12/04/2010 - 01:52

Do you prefer quoting, or possibly threaded comments? Or maybe.. both? Hmm.

  • Tyler

  • Sat, 12/04/2010 - 02:15

I like quoting over threaded comments.

All ewe love someone! Let me not exist for a fair desire sweet and fresh.

fykusfireScrybe is what I would deem a genius. Of course with that said, there is a fine line between genius and insanity, and Scrybe is eating that line like spaghetti.

falloutroy.com is available, just saying.

Kudos on the html5/css3. I wouldn't have the motivation to do it right now. Any jQuery ThemeRoller helping you out ?

I'll be here no matter what happens to the direction/interface of the site. We long timers are a weirdly dysfunctional family.


  • OZG

  • Sat, 12/04/2010 - 03:34

LOL!! That should be the name for your personal blog or something.

jquery ui is nice.. I haven't looked at it in a while though. I think I'd find more use for it if I were creating a backend UI, which might one day be a possibility with this.. But I'm more familiar with jqtools, so I'll probably be including that in many ways. I'm also trying to tighten up my jquery skills, so some of it will be custom, I imagine..

I'm basing the css on less too, which the nerd side of me is really stoked about.. Basically means that there will be nice degrading of the site with just browser width change (different layouts for ipads, netbooks, iphones automatically)

I plan on fully supporting all modern browsers.. IE9+ only, 8 and below will still work via chromeframe (which should be flawless, from what I understand)..

I think that pretty much covers the markup plans I have thus far.

  • Tyler

  • Sat, 12/04/2010 - 04:42

How are you so ambitious about this? I am really glad you are. I guess I am on the tail end of so many site builds right now that I am suffering from project burn out - so I can't conceive your motivation.

Good luck! Let us other nerds know if we can do anything to help.


  • OZG

  • Sat, 12/04/2010 - 14:49

Heh, it was probably the slight buzz I had while I typed these up.. I actually suffer from project burn out too, and I can't stand it.

But I am pretty excited to make BZ.. mine, you know? Not using a third-party app and then just customizing it.. I've wanted to do that for years and years, just always gave up and took the easy way out..

Now, learning django/python can actually help me out career wise, so I am a fool to not learn how to use it, me thinks.

  • Tyler

  • Sat, 12/04/2010 - 15:19

Im glad you are motivated to do it too Tyler. I can totally understand you delay in getting it done. Who has the time to commit for these things anymore if not being paid to do it.

All ewe love someone! Let me not exist for a fair desire sweet and fresh.

fykusfireScrybe is what I would deem a genius. Of course with that said, there is a fine line between genius and insanity, and Scrybe is eating that line like spaghetti.

*like*

err.. um, i mean

*thumbs up*

damn you facebook!

blog: ourwingsareburning.wordpress.com
wahoo

Tyler

But I am pretty excited to make BZ.. mine, you know? Not using a third-party app and then just customizing it.. I've wanted to do that for years and years, just always gave up and took the easy way out..

While you're at it, why don't you code up a new internet to put it on?

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  • Scrybe

  • Mon, 12/06/2010 - 19:22

And create a new version of the English language. With the letter Z at the end of every world: BZ, lolz, internetz...

All ewe love someone! Let me not exist for a fair desire sweet and fresh.

fykusfireScrybe is what I would deem a genius. Of course with that said, there is a fine line between genius and insanity, and Scrybe is eating that line like spaghetti.

It would be better if it had a z after ever LETTER. Az Bz Cz Dz Ez Fz Hz, etcz.

Black Dragon Say:"request exigency medical acclaim if your erection is piercing"

  • Scrybe

  • Tue, 12/07/2010 - 00:40

Agreedz.

All ewe love someone! Let me not exist for a fair desire sweet and fresh.

fykusfireScrybe is what I would deem a genius. Of course with that said, there is a fine line between genius and insanity, and Scrybe is eating that line like spaghetti.

Is "lightweight" an adjective you'd use to describe the future version of your site, Tyler?

To give you perspective, this is what I see as lightweight:

http://www.frodus.com/forum/discussions

  • ansley

  • Sat, 02/26/2011 - 01:12

Definitely. Less is more. They're actually using an old version of Vanilla, which was what I was using before switching to Drupal.. I pretty much regret that, as Vanilla 2 is a pretty slick system.. I was going to base BZ3 off of it a while back.

  • Tyler

  • Sat, 02/26/2011 - 02:06

So you're using ...

  • ansley

  • Sat, 02/26/2011 - 15:10

lol... well..

I'm in a bit of a conundrum with the whole thing. What I have been putting time into so far, and what I have in my head I still want to do, but I am really really worried that it will kind of kill what BZ is now, rather than grow from it. I'm really worried a lot of regulars will stop coming by with such a massive change..

I still want to create this, but it's taking a lot longer than I had hoped and it's so different from what BZ has been all these years, it make s lot more sense to me to start it as an entirely new project, and keep them separate.

I've contemplated making this back into a fansite, with a big focus on discussions still.. or maybe just keeping it as a forum. Either way, it needs a complete revamp. This current version of BZ is just awful. Bug=ridden, tons of features don't work or were never fully completed.. I just kind of rushed a lot, and I didn't know a quarter of what I do now back then.

If I go that route, I'm going to use Symphony. They just released 2.2 today, which I've been waiting for.. Within the next few days, they plan on releasing their official "Members" extension, and I think that would be a great route to take.

I've built a handful of sites with Symphony and I love it. It's extremely flexible and it cuts development time down a TON. Once the members extension is out, I'm hoping it would only be a matter of weeks to develop the functionality of an initial launch.. Rather than the months this other project would take, as I'd be learning a new language (python) as I went.

  • Tyler

  • Sat, 02/26/2011 - 17:50

I don't think you have to worry about BZ regulars leaving. With the exception of those who leave for 6-12 months and then come back...regularly.

After 10 years of BZ posting, I dont think I will be leaving anytime soon regardless.

If anything what BZ needs is some new blood. Working features, a clean feel, and a semi-focused discussion board helps that a lot imo.

All ewe love someone! Let me not exist for a fair desire sweet and fresh.

fykusfireScrybe is what I would deem a genius. Of course with that said, there is a fine line between genius and insanity, and Scrybe is eating that line like spaghetti.

That's it, I'm leaving.

Quote:Scrybe: Listen you godless, tofu-eating pussy... You're the one living in a delusional wonderland of your own making. You couldn't recognize order and design if they were twin tyrannosauruses burrowing into your anus.

In case of Zombie Apocalypse, your brain will be stolen

Good! And don't let the door hit you in ass on the way out either!

It's not me....it's you.

  • no one

  • Mon, 02/28/2011 - 21:52

That's it! No One is leaving!

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  • Scrybe

  • Tue, 03/01/2011 - 01:23

cool, Tyler.

  • ansley

  • Tue, 03/01/2011 - 14:27

no oneGood! And don't let the door hit you in ass on the way out either!
*cries*

Quote:Scrybe: Listen you godless, tofu-eating pussy... You're the one living in a delusional wonderland of your own making. You couldn't recognize order and design if they were twin tyrannosauruses burrowing into your anus.

In case of Zombie Apocalypse, your brain will be stolen

No One, Ansley, Ty = since the crash of '01. They cant leave, even if they wanted too.

Kinda like 10 levels into Inception.

All ewe love someone! Let me not exist for a fair desire sweet and fresh.

fykusfireScrybe is what I would deem a genius. Of course with that said, there is a fine line between genius and insanity, and Scrybe is eating that line like spaghetti.

Psh, I've left for multiple extended periods of time.

  • ansley

  • Thu, 03/03/2011 - 06:35

But you always come back. And that's what counts.

Quote:Scrybe: Listen you godless, tofu-eating pussy... You're the one living in a delusional wonderland of your own making. You couldn't recognize order and design if they were twin tyrannosauruses burrowing into your anus.

In case of Zombie Apocalypse, your brain will be stolen

antsPsh, I've left for multiple extended periods of time.

You thought you left, but reality is your were always here. Hence you came back, again and again.

All ewe love someone! Let me not exist for a fair desire sweet and fresh.

fykusfireScrybe is what I would deem a genius. Of course with that said, there is a fine line between genius and insanity, and Scrybe is eating that line like spaghetti.

That doesn't make sense

  • ansley

  • Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:53

:: Memory! All alone in the moonlight
I can dream of the old days
Life was beautiful then
I remember the time I knew what happiness was
Let the memory live agaaaain::

dulcineaPsh, I've left for multiple extended periods of time.

It's not me....it's you.

  • no one

  • Fri, 03/04/2011 - 21:48

Tyler, When are we going to get a preview of your new creation?

  • ansley

  • Fri, 03/04/2011 - 22:36

dulcineaThat doesn't make sense

:\

Its makes more sense then changing your new user name every other day.

All ewe love someone! Let me not exist for a fair desire sweet and fresh.

fykusfireScrybe is what I would deem a genius. Of course with that said, there is a fine line between genius and insanity, and Scrybe is eating that line like spaghetti.

dulcineaTyler, When are we going to get a preview of your new creation?
That's a good question..

As soon as I can, I always get giddy and excited about shit like this, and have to show it off in some way or another.

  • Tyler

  • Sat, 03/05/2011 - 00:56

Then its settled, tomorrow at 15:33

  • ansley

  • Sat, 03/05/2011 - 01:13

allelesfailed
dulcineaThat doesn't make sense

:\

Its makes more sense then changing your new user name every other day.

Or in misspelling a really easy word in your name and then keeping it misspelled because you think it's some sort of homage to the "old days."

  • ansley

  • Sat, 03/05/2011 - 01:14

Oh some times I think back to when I was younger
Life was so much simpler then
Dad would be up at dawn
He'd be watering the lawn
Or maybe going fishing again

Oh and mom would be fixing up something in the kitchen
Fresh biscuits or hot apple pie
And I'd spend all day long in the basement
Torturing rats with a hack-saw
And pulling the wings off of flies

Those were the good old days
Those were the good old days
The years go by but the memory stays
And those were the good old days

I can still remember good old Mr. Fender
Who ran the corner grocery store
Oh, he'd stroll down the aisle with a big friendly smile
And he'd say "Howdy" when you walked in the door

Always treated me nice, gave me kindly advice
I don't know why I set fire to his place
Oh I'll never forget the day I bashed in his head
Well you should've seen the look on his face

Let me tell ya now

Those were the good old days
Those were the good old days
The years go by but the memory stays
And those were the good old days

Do you remember sweet Michelle
She was my high school romance
She was fun to talk to and nice to smell
So I took her to the homecoming dance

Then I tied her to a chair and I shaved off all her hair
And I left her in the desert all alone
Well sometimes in my dreams
I can still hear the screams
Oh I wonder if she ever made it home

I tell ya

Those were the good old days
Those were the good old days
The years go by but the memory stays
And those were the good old days

Let me tell ya buddy

Those were the good old days
Those were the good old days
The years go by but the memory stays
And those were the good old days

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  • Scrybe

  • Sat, 03/05/2011 - 07:44

dulcineaThen its settled, tomorrow at 15:33

Tick, Tock, Tyler.

  • ansley

  • Sat, 03/05/2011 - 20:48

dulcinea
allelesfailed
dulcineaThat doesn't make sense

:\

Its makes more sense then changing your new user name every other day.

Or in misspelling a really easy word in your name and then keeping it misspelled because you think it's some sort of homage to the "old days."


shut teh hel up or eles!1

All ewe love someone! Let me not exist for a fair desire sweet and fresh.

fykusfireScrybe is what I would deem a genius. Of course with that said, there is a fine line between genius and insanity, and Scrybe is eating that line like spaghetti.

Why? Because you know it's true?

  • ansley

  • Sat, 03/12/2011 - 22:36

dulcineaWhy? Because you know it's true?

shut teh hel up or eles!1

All ewe love someone! Let me not exist for a fair desire sweet and fresh.

fykusfireScrybe is what I would deem a genius. Of course with that said, there is a fine line between genius and insanity, and Scrybe is eating that line like spaghetti.

Tyler, did you all of a sudden go gay with the font on here?

  • ansley

  • Fri, 04/01/2011 - 19:07

It is Papyrus. I think it really ties the room together dude.

Quote:Scrybe: Listen you godless, tofu-eating pussy... You're the one living in a delusional wonderland of your own making. You couldn't recognize order and design if they were twin tyrannosauruses burrowing into your anus.

In case of Zombie Apocalypse, your brain will be stolen

I think it's Comic Sans dude..

  • ansley

  • Fri, 04/01/2011 - 19:26

You didn't see the post on him talking about changing the forum to Papyrus font Ans?

Quote:Scrybe: Listen you godless, tofu-eating pussy... You're the one living in a delusional wonderland of your own making. You couldn't recognize order and design if they were twin tyrannosauruses burrowing into your anus.

In case of Zombie Apocalypse, your brain will be stolen

It's Comic Sans.

  • ansley

  • Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:10

It hurts my eyes.

All ewe love someone! Let me not exist for a fair desire sweet and fresh.

fykusfireScrybe is what I would deem a genius. Of course with that said, there is a fine line between genius and insanity, and Scrybe is eating that line like spaghetti.

ante_christIt's Comic Sans.
LIAR!

Quote:Scrybe: Listen you godless, tofu-eating pussy... You're the one living in a delusional wonderland of your own making. You couldn't recognize order and design if they were twin tyrannosauruses burrowing into your anus.

In case of Zombie Apocalypse, your brain will be stolen

Tyler. This. Is. Not. Cool.

  • ansley

  • Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:34
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